[Jump to updates thru: June 14, 2010]
Following the airing of the sixteenth episode of season 2, “Some Must Watch, While Some Must Sleep“, Terminator fans have been in bit of a tizzy. Regardless of whether or not they like the episode, there is an agreement (in some cases, a grudging agreement) that the “coo cooo” Sarah story line that started with the three dots and ended with the dream episode has lost the show some previous audience and failed to grab and hold onto new viewers. The fanbase is VERY worried that the death knell for the show was rung with 0216. I’m going to say that we shouldn’t throw in the towel just yet.
In the best of times and the worst of times, the ultimate fate of the show rests with the powers that be at FOX. Regular readers know that I take a lot of shots at “the suits”, but the fact is that they’ve shown remarkable faith in this show. They understand the potential of TTSCC. So, it’s to them much of this blog is targeted.
Since all of the episodes for season 2 have already been shot, there really is nothing to be done about it now. I can’t say if the six episodes yet to air will correct some or all of the concensus problems with the show. I’m going to assume that the pace will pick up a bit as
we head into the season finale, but I really have no idea of specifics or what “creative” twists the producers have prepared for the audience. Despite that, I’m going to toss out some thoughts anyway.
With the Sarah’s demons triptych, a lot of scorn has been dumped on Executive Producer Josh Friedman. Given what he’s shared with the fans, some of this scorn might be deserved. I’m going to do some dumping myself. In his defense, a TV show’s auteur sometimes does things that the audience doesn’t appreciate at the time. Case in point, the “dark” season 6 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer that sorely tested the faith of the fans with Joss Whedon. In retrospect, and without the weekly pauses and occasional hiatuses, the season is considered in a much better light now than it was at the time. Joss’ advantage was that he’d built up five season’s worth of good will before he went off on a psychological tangent with his main character.
Josh Friedman has admitted, perhaps a little too proudly, that he is usually the one to throw in time-travel and new terminators despite edicts to the rest of the creative team not to. This means that regardless of how anyone else feels about continuity, he’s more than willing to mess it up for a personal giggle. It also shows one of the failings of many scifi shows: no long-term coherent plan.
As I’ve written about, I’m a big fan of the creative team having a general roadmap as to where things are going (Building Terminator – My Plan For Season 2 [Part 1] [Part 2]). Though I’ve seen whiteboard notes and heard comments of story-breaking, I’m not getting a sense that Josh is focused on more than 4-6 episodes down the road. As the producers of Battlestar Galactica and LOST have learned, once you put together a plan, the show starts feeling to the viewers as if the creative team knows what it is doing and isn’t just flailing about.
I’d suggest that the suits at FOX go to Friedman and request/demand (po-tay-to/po-tah-to) that he give them a plan for the next three seasons. He doesn’t need to give specific stories, but he does need to show a blueprint. Josh then needs to meet up with his top writers and draw up a general map. Let everyone know that there is a point to the story and that the creative team is disciplined enough to build the future scripts within that framework (allowing for surprises the do/don’t work).
I’d also suggest to the FOX braintrust that they cancel American Idol as its half-season, multi-night schedule just screws things up for just about every other series on the network. Scheduling pinball is not the best strategy for audience retention. I know they won’t do that, but I thought I throw it out there to show that some of Terminator‘s woes are FOX’s fault as well.
Since FOX pretty much sends series to Friday nights to die (regardless of how much they deny it, it is what it is), why not just keep TTSCC there regardless of its current low ratings? Write off this season and take a chance with a season 3. The worst that happens is that the show dies…but that’s what Fridays are for, right? But if you stick with this series and don’t move it’s time slot, the audience will grow. It’s a “cult” show. If it’s built well and you stick with it, the people will come.
As for building it well — some creative changes might have to be made. I’ve already mentioned requiring the three-season plan. On top of that, the FOX folk might want to insist on using the core ensemble to their fullest. Sarah, John, Cameron, and Catherine have established themselves as the characters with the best chemistry and viewer interest. Some will also throw in Derek, but thus far his utility has been less than those other four. To this end, I’d suggest changing the series title to: Terminator – The Connor Chronicles as it provides a richer treasure of stories as well as informs the public that the series is going to make a change [for the better].
There will likely be some discussion as to whether Josh being a continuing part of the show is a good idea. I don’t see why not. Based on season 1, he clearly understands the sort of storytelling and character interaction that the viewers like, he just made a little detour in season 2, is all.
FOX promotions has got to start understanding what people want to see. Don’t promote certain characters if they aren’t going to be featured in upcoming episodes. Don’t give away spoilers. Show reruns during hiatuses, or marathons on a cable net prior to a season’s start. Basically, do what you can to help the show.
The mid-season hiatus really hurt TTSCC upon its return. First, the night change was barely promoted. Many people who’d gotten used to watching the show on Mondays didn’t know what happened. Second, the lack of reruns during the two-months the show was off the air killed any momentum the show had with fans who weren’t hard-core. If they’d missed episodes during the previous weeks of Monday-night schedule congestion, they got nothing from the network to catch them up. It was basically one-and-done for viewers.
What’s in it for the network? You have a series with a heck of a potential. On Fridays, you pretty much only have one competing show, and the audiences for both (excluding myself) don’t have a huge amount of overlap. FOX has a reputation of giving up on Friday shows: Firefly, The Adventures of Brisco County, Wonderfalls, etc. These shows aren’t easy sells. They take time. If you are already expecting that any show in the slot will fail, and if you show faith in one of them (in this case, Terminator) and it grows, then you come off as geniuses. You can then build on that. Look at CBS. CSI was a left-to-die Friday show. Ghost Whisperer is kicking butt in the ratings for the night. What do they do right? They stick with it.
So, there you have it. Although the beginning of the “back nine” episodes for TTSCC haven’t exactly stunned the entertainment world, that doesn’t mean that the show needs to be written off. FOX has shown more faith in this show than I thought it would, and if they think things through, I believe they’d agree that it’s worth taking one more chance with it.
Clearly the creative pulse of the show needs to be taken and agreed to by the network and producers. I’d caution the network to not try to put their imprint on the plan, but I’d also recommend that Josh consider the suggestions from the network. Focus on the core cast and radiate out from there; don’t let the tail wag the dog.
As for the fans—obviously the starting point is 3 million. That is the faithful fanbase. They are going to stick with the show unless it looks like all hope is lost, and even then most of them will still stick around. If the creative focus of the show returns to being a little more external and not so introspective, there is no reason why the series can’t (re)gain another 2+ million by the winter hiatus. Once that point is reached, and the show is marketed reasonably (and the back-nine episodes aren’t too caught up in the mythology so new viewers can’t catch up), there is no reason why TTSCC can’t begin to make CBS start looking over their shoulder a bit.
Patience. Discipline. Terminators. Skynet. Promotion. Audience. It can happen.
And for the fans: write to FOX and Dodge and whoever it makes sense to in order to let them know that despite this little speedbump, you are still loyal to the show and are eager to promote it to your friends, co-workers, and anyone else within earshot. Josh and FOX have work to do, but so do we fans. Don’t give up on the show. Praise it when it deserves it, and be honest when it falls short. But don’t give up on it. If we don’t, FOX might not.
Remember: The future is not set. There is no fate except what we make for ourselves.
UPDATES
[June 14, 2010: Veran' posted an interesting little report over at tsccwiki.wetpaint.com. It's similar to what we've been hearing: DVD, continuation of the story, actors on-board, etc. What's different is that there are a few more details and--perhaps more significantly--that this isn't from the mouth of one Thomas Dekker. Nope, Thomas deferred to Brian Austen Green to give the deets. As this is sort of constitutes a second-source, it adds some veracity to the rumors/reports.
—CJ]
[May 3, 2010: Thomas Dekker continuing to be a bit of a tease in this short vid labeled as being done on May 1.
—CJ]
[April 28, 2010: As was hinted at in a recent comment on T I B (link), we have some video confirmation via Thomas Dekker during his promotion of Nightmare on Elm Street (co-screenplay by one of my long-time screenwriting buds, Eric Heisserer). Thomas says that there's talk of a Firefly/Serenity sort of thing happening and that another one of the actors (not him) is involved in the discussions.
—CJ]
[April 3, 2010: IO9 reports (vid): We caught up with Thomas "John Connor" Dekker, doing press for Nightmare On Elm Street, and we had to ask if a direct-to-DVD Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles continuation might still happen. His answer: Yes. But it's a secret!
—CJ]
[August 4, 2009: Lanie Grace is reporting that http://www.fmqinc.com/sarah-connor-chronicles Sarah Connor Chronicles to Continue Late 2010.
More from me at Sarah Connor Chronicles Un-terminated?
—CJ]
[May 17, 2009 update: Entertainment Weekly's Michael Ausiello has just reported that Terminator - The Sarah Connor Chronicles will be listed as canceled once FOX presents at the upfronts later this morning (he's listing it as officially canceled now).
More from me at Sarah Connor Chronicles Terminated
—CJ]
[May 6, 2009 update: Just saw a report that USA Today may report that TTSCC is canceled. According to "LiquidMetal", this information comes from a UT editor and not from official sources connected with the show.
Since a show isn't done until it's done, keep on contacting TPTB if you want more very scary robots in one of the few SF shows remaining on the air. (savethessc.com)
Lastly... whether there's a season 3 or not, I couldn't wait. So I started fanficing my own. The first eppie script has been posted. Check it out (Terminator Fanfic F0301 - "A Thousand Miles")
—CJ]
[May 1, 2009 update: Polls are starting to come in that have TTSCC being the fan choice for salvation (link).
I've been holding off on posting a link to this article because the source's rep at this point isn't the best, but as I've gotten emails about it I don't feel that I can't simply not report it. Just know that this is conflicting with other stories from the press and various insiders, and at this point it's a pick'em as to who will end up being right — entertainment industry rumors and gossip and politics are like that: (http://www.fmqinc.com/terminator-season-3-possible/ Terminator Season 3 WB Negotiating with SciFi).
—CJ]
[April 14, 2009 update: Michael Ausiello is reporting a don't-kill-the-messenger rumor. As his rumors often bear out, I'm reporting it here.
However, a TTSCC writer tweets that this report is very false and implies that it's related to the previously dissed rumor.
More to come...
—CJ]
[April 4, 2009 update: It appears that the writer of the blog that spurred a lot of cancellation fears fessed up that it was just a ploy to ramp up Net traffic on eir[[daggerto]] site. As is typical of trolls of this sort, ey doesn’t care about the morality or ethics of posting the big lie. They just want to profit. Isn’t that how we got into this economic mess in the first place?
In any event, hopefully that is the beginning of the end for that rumor. Me…I’ve still waiting to see if FOX understands from its past mistakes that rabid fan bases aren’t to be treated lightly. Plus…it has a pretty good show on its hands.
—CJ]
[March 27, 2009 update: There is a blog that is getting linked to (not here) that is broadcasting that the show has been canceled and that it's been "common knowledge" on the WB lot for some time. There is a significant amount of obviously wrong info in that blog (e.g. ratings numbers that are almost 2 million viewers off) that it seems more likely than not that the blog is bogus.
I wouldn't be surprised if the report of sets being gone is true. It's already known that some sets are not going to be used in a season 3, so the studio would of course tear them down and repurpose them for other productions. That's how it works.
The blog also posts information about how actors are working on other projects. Well, during hiatuses, actors do work on other projects. One cast member whose character has long been assumed wouldn't last long-term is now signed for another project, but even then actors have been known to have priorities and share agreements written into contracts, so even that information is not useful to guage if the series will be renewed.
For now, keep holding tight and watching. The numbers, both live and delayed have been improving. If any info truly is "common knowledge" on a studio lot, you can be that the rumor mills would have been flooded with this information and the gossip mavens would have spoiled it to the public already.
—CJ]



Fox really should look at EZTV’s download list on Mininova to gauge popularity. TSCC outdownloaded Battlestar Galactica this week!!
Apparently the DVR numbers are up this week too:
http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/03/dollhouse-dvr.html#comment-6a00d83451d69069e2011279198e3428a4
I think there’s a good chance that FOX will wait until after the release of Terminator: Salvation to make their decision on Season 3 (unless the decision is already “Yes, renew!”)
If Salvation does well (and as someone that has a whole lot of faith in that film, I believe it will) it could drag a new group of people into the franchise: and I think that’s very, very high on FOX’s hivemind.
I’ve seen suggestion of that pop up from time to time. The problem is that the FOX upfronts (where the new season’s schedule will be announced) is on May 18. T:S doesn’t release until May 21.
Here’s the thing. The final season 2 episode of TTSCC, “Born to Run” is scheduled to air on April 10. Even allowing for a few weeks for DVR and online numbers to be considered, TTSCC’s fate will have already been decided by the start of May.
If I’m a FOX executive with any power at all, I’m pushing to give both TTSCC and Dollhouse a 13-order for Fall 2009. TTSCC’s numbers are edging upwards since the stumble through Sarah’s mind, and the non-live numbers are very good. Dollhouse’s live numbers are better than TTSCC’s. I’m thinking that we might be able to grow the night as the night for scifi action. With BSG finished, FOX could brand the night and make it theirs again.
Hi,
Thought you might like to know that E! is running its “Save one show” campaign and TSCC is on the list. Might be worth publishing on the site:
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b107874_Save_One_Show_Help_Your_Fave_See_Another_Season.html
It seems to be hit and miss at the minute with high volumes of traffic.
Thanks
I hit the voting button just as soon as that was posted.
Hi,
eonline has updated their poll, it’s now a top 5 shootout:
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b120751_save_one_show_play_game-changer_round.html
hay i just got to say i am a big fan of thes fox terminator i think thay shoud a about 2 more sesons about how he gets back to past as i live in new zealand and it just came on the last one and i was very sad also lost ending was cray but back to the terminator as i was sad seing this and thay did not now who he was as it macked the movies look like crap and this not worth doing all this movies if he dose not lead the restance its what the holl movie’s are based on well let me no what you think my email is mr.mazda.33@hotmail.com or give me a call on +6421 070 8816
Ever since the first season was released on free to air in Adelaide Australia I have been a born again terminator fan and purchased my very own 9 episode season 1. I have been pining for season 2 only to hear the season 3 is being canned and me not even seeing season 2 yet …Grrrr. They should bring Arnie out of mothballs from California to terminate Fox. I’ve loved Summer Glau ever since Fire Fly, great choice to play the terminator. Lets hope that season 3 can be revived and hits the ground running.
Sadly, an official season 3 is unlikely to be an option. Even so, you may have noticed that I’ve been scripting a Season 3 of my own. Old characters. New characters. Whopping big budget. If you haven’t noticed them already, please check out the ones currently finished at: Terminator – The Connor Wars (TTSCC Season 3) Fanfic Project.
As an aside, I wouldn’t mind a little of that Oz winter you all are having right now. It’s a little warm ’round these parts.
Join the resistance….There is no fate, but the fate we make.
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http://forums.syfy.com/index.php?showtopic=2332484&st=4260
http://www.thewb.com/boards/showthread.php?t=506&page=216
http://www.hulu.com/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles
let’s Vote:
Can you believe this? First block on the left “Best Returning Show” TSCC all the way at bottom of list. If only it were returning. We need to win this one so vote there every day. Get you girlfriend to vote, get your plumber to vote, but get those votes in every day.
http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/tubeys/nominees.php
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i hope that there woud be a season 3 because the just got to the interesting part and then end of series. But the thing is that i think most people don’t know of the series im I acedntaly found the series while i was searching for a download of the movie and only because i didn’t type the full name of the movie
I have watch`d season 1 and 2, and now I hear it will not be a season 3. I realy hope this is not true becuse its a very good serie, and it just got to the main point in the end of season 2. I want a season 3.:)
Summer Glau….you are the BEST, I love you!…ongratulations…i wait next season
Come on you FOX People … You have to be insane not to make a third season for Terminator: The Sarah Connor’s Chronicles.
I can’t wait to see it.
I wish they sent a Terminator to terminate Fox xD
Well Folks,
It has been a year since our last fresh taste of TTSCC.
I will not defend or condemn FOX or any other media conglom for its decision to end a series.
I will instead call into question the American TV diet.
This is not the first Sci-Fi series, with a dedicated fan base to get canned due to ratings.
TTSCC is in good company with series such as Firefly and Star Trek, the original.
The question is, how are forward thinking, future looking viewers and fans to battle the current American obsession
for gazing at ourselves. We, as a society seem to crave a mirror that reflects only the most base and
vapid aspects of our collective selves.
“America’s Got Talent” , “So You Think You Can Dance” , “Wife Swap” , “American Idol” , “Big Brother” , “Survivor” , “The Apprentice” , “Fear Factor” and unfortunately the list goes on.
FOX even has a channel devoted, 24/7 to this intellectually vacant genre.
So how can we hope to explore visions of a future of personal fulfillment and cultural stability, as in Star Trek?
How can we examine the beauty and hardships of the independent spirit as in Firefly?
When can we pay attention to the cautionary tales of power coupled with the lack of interpersonal empathy run amok as in Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles if our most readily available supplier of social criticism , introspection and education is clogged with cultural sewage?
Americans want something, but they rarely, as a group, know how to identify that something.
The networks know what they want… ad revenue, cheaply supplied and self-regenerating.
Left on their own, this is exactly what they supply. It is now known as “Reality TV”.
With this in mind, a quote, adapted from ” The American President” (1995) works here:
Lewis: …They’re so thirsty for it they’ll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there’s no water, they’ll drink the sand.
President Andrew Shepherd: Lewis, … People don’t drink the sand because they’re thirsty. They drink the sand because they don’t know the difference.
Sci-Fi, in spite of all the rocket jockeying and brain eating bugs, offers us all an option. Something different to drink. A full bodied liquid with textures and aromas to inspire and quench a thirst that is clawing at the very soul of our societies.
Or you can sit back, turn on “America’s Next Top Model” and enjoy a nice cool glass of sand.
My 2 cents worth.
SF is tough for TV. It’s usually costly. It requires actually paying attention…which seems to be getting tougher with each new gadget or socnet. Worse, though, is that so much of it is stunningly mediocre (at best) or downright awful. I honestly don’t think the suits or a lot of “creative” types get SF, either. It’s not a genre that easily lends itself easily to cookie-cutter production.
yea but this series is almost as god as star wars and its the most popular SF movie ever
atleast if ur not gonna air it , give me the option to buy season three . To leave me hanging like this makes me not wanna invest my time to watch any fox program . Whoever made the decision to cut the show should be beheaded!
A lot of us feel that way about FOX for more travesties than just TSCC. But every couple of years they hold out something that makes us think that maybe, just maybe this time it will be different. So, much like the situation with Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown to kick, we end up being played for a fool, flying through the air screaming, “AAUUUGGGHHH!!”, and landing with a thud. And sure as a dog will return to its own vomit, we’ll come back when they tease us that this time we won’t be disappointed.
Perhaps Hulu or Netflix could syndicate it or something and make it the first Internet syndicated show in entertainment history. We just starting watching this on Netflix. My wife doesn’t even care for sci-fi and she was hooked on this show instantly.
I don’t see them having deep enough pockets to commit to it as a proper series. I could see them doing it like The Guild. The 1st season of The Guild was basically just one episode. You could maybe strip a movie like this for web distro — 8 minutes per release (give or take a couple of minutes). You’d have to write the script with this in mind, but it could be done–split a 2.5-hour movie into 22 episodes. Release one every two weeks or so. And, at the end, you have a movie. Voila.
Just finished watching one and two. Maybe syfy can this. This needs to continue.
When i can see s3 of terminator the sara… please i love it
i think that terminator sarah connor chronicles should have a third season and i bet that fox didnt look at the figures for the uk because i know personaly me and all my m8s loved it also more atleast 180 people lived for the show and when it ended we almost cryed so PLEASE PLEASE bring it back with a third season
I don’t think that Fox cared as it was just a distributor. Had they produced TSCC (and thus got a bigger cut of the financial pie), it likely would have gotten the nod over the surprise renewal of Dollhouse, for which it was one of the two production companies. After getting deep budget cuts from Joss Whedon, Fox’s bean counters would have decided that there was less financial risk in going with the arguably weaker show.
I recently discovered this series and was surprised at how much I liked it… loved it in fact. I never cared for the comic book story arcs and T3 killed the movie franchise. Salvation brought my interest back, and moved me to give the series a second go (I hadn’t watched the entire pilot when it premiered). The series injects a depth that the movies never really touched on … emotions. I suppose when special effect budgets are limited, story development becomes a priority. The series combines the elements of the classic Bladerunner with the apocalypse of Terminator and the uncertainty of the present reality. Summer Glau does a better job at wrestling with emotions than Arnold. I sincerely hope WB resurrects the Chronicles in some form.
Just finished watching s 1&2 on netflix and I have to say I loved the show. I’ve been a huge fan since the beginning and I can not wait to see what happens next. Season 2s finale was a hut and a huge hanger.